A regular commenter, Jon, posted a series of questions in the comments section of the previous post. I am pasting in his comments and will bold the answers. Minor grammar corrections have been made. The original comment is located here. Note: I don’t care if Jon is a Troll. Jon sometimes uses troll-like ad-hominem attacks. Not in this case so I will answer. He is a fellow veteran so I ask those who may comment to do so with as much respect as you can muster.
One of the chief goals of Vets for Trump is to help create a dialogue between veterans of various political views. We also talk about issues that affect America as a whole. After all, veterans are also citizens that are concerned about the same issues as everyone else. Our job as members of the military was to defend everyone in America, not just one political party or view. We welcome all who have sincere questions and those who struggle to understand why we view President Trump as the best President for our time.
As a reminder, having come out of a Special Operations unit that focused on information warfare I am especially tuned to propaganda. See definitions 2 and 3 from Websters Dictionary so we are clear on what I mean when I say propaganda.
2: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause also: a public action having such an effect
Begin comments by Jon and my replies
Jon: So no one has a problem with the President using Military Aid to extort a foreign government into cooperating into investigating his political opponents?
Mike: Foreign aid being withheld for that purpose is an accusation without evidence. The President of Ukraine also stated that there was no pressure. That is called corroboration. Also, Rep Ratcliffe said it best:
“At the end of the day, this was about quid pro quo and whether or not the Ukrainians were aware that military aid was being withheld and on that most important issue. Neither this witness or any other witness has provided any evidence that there was a quid pro quo, or any evidence that the Ukrainians were aware that military aid was being withheld on July 25,” Ratcliffe said on “The Story” Tuesday night, claiming that absent testimony speaking to that point, “a quid pro quo is legally impossible.”
The background of investigating what part Ukraine played in the 2016 elections started long before Biden said he was planning a run for the White House. We cannot help it if Biden decided to run. Does running for office prevent a person from being investigated?
Jon: No this is not a real investigation.
How long Ago did this supposed crime take place?
How long ago did Trump take office?
Why wait till now to push for an investigation?
Why use his personal lawyer to do his dirty work?
Trump did nothing on this until he needed to dig up dirt on his political opponents. Until Joe Biden became the frontrunner, Trump did not care about this.
Mike: In a nutshell, several things caused Trump to wait on this. First, Ukraine had just elected a new President, Volodymyr Zelensky, who ran on an anti-corruption platform. In other words, he also promised to “drain the Ukraine swamp” as some might put it. People would do well to remember the previous Ukraine government was very corrupt and under the influence of the Obama – Biden administration. That’s how Joe Biden got them to fire the guy investigating the company known as Burisma. He directly withheld funds and said so.
Biden threatening Ukraine by withholding money seems much more corrupt than Trump asking Ukraine to look into the corruption. So, Trump’s timing had to do with the move towards an anti-corruption government winning in Ukraine.
Presidents are also allowed to have personal lawyers. It is interesting to note that a fall out from the Mueller investigation is an Obama lawyer was charged with lying about Ukraine! Click here for the story that will make you think about this harder. April 11, 2019, from Reuters.
Jon: I wish we could see a real transcript of the phone call. What was released is obviously not the complete transcript as it covers less than half the length of the phone call. What was released clearly shows President Trump using Military Aid to force the Ukrainian Government to investigate Biden. Plus, Mulvaney flat out confirmed that this was the way Trump conducted foreign policy.
Mike: See previous answers which dispel this notion.
Jon: Trump using the Government to get back at his personal enemies, as well as using it to increase his personal fortune should raise concerns.
Mike: Flatly wrong according to anti-Trump people as well as supporters. You are standing alone here. First, there is no telling what Trump would be worth today if he had not become the President. That is the only place figures differ. Even the Democratic Party admits he has lost at least 1.4 Billion.
Jon: The Impeachment was just as one-sided, except it was the Republicans who wanted to impeach Clinton for cheating on his wife.
Voted Yes on Each Article
# Article I Article II Article III Article IV
Democrats 206 5 5 5 1
Republicans 192 188 166 180 122
Independents 1 0 0 0 0
Article 1. The president provided perjurious, false and misleading
testimony to the grand jury regarding the Paula Jones
case and his relationship with Monica Lewinsky.
Approved by House 228-206
Article 2. The president provided perjurious, false and misleading
testimony in the Jones case in his answers to written
questions and in his deposition.
House: Failed 229-205
Article 3. The president obstructed justice in an effort to delay, impede,
cover up and conceal the existence of evidence related to the
Jones case.
Approved by House 221-212
Article 4. The president misused and abused his office by making
perjurious, false and misleading statements to Congress.
House: Failed 285-148
Mike: No argument. I will not defend the Impeachment of Clinton. It should have been a censure. If Bill Clinton had done the same things today his own party would have crucified him under the Mee Too movement. Anyway, this is a great point. Impeaching or attempting to Impeach Trump may well backfire on Democrats just like it did on Republicans. Look at how much money Trump raised over the Impeachment vote.
When the left says Trump is a misogynist I can’t help thinking that it was Bill Clinton that opened that door. He was more popular after being Impeached and having sex in the Oval Office with a 22-year-old. However, Trump has not received an accusation of that since he took office, unlike Bill.
One big difference is Republicans gave Clinton 6 years before talking about Impeachment. Democrats started talking about it before Trump was even sworn in.
A little fact-checking would go a long way. Notice how I reference, with links, every point I make that might be questioned. Jon and many others should at the very least be skeptical of what they read and hear. Reporters and Editors rank themselves liberal to conservative at a 5 to 1 ratio. Don’t take my word for it. See the former CEO of NPR Ken Stern. Add to that the fact that over 96% of donations from so-called journalists went to Hillary Clinton over Trump.
In conclusion, those last two facts should make every thinking American cringe. Remain skeptical my friend, remain skeptical.
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